[1]FreeRepublic.com "A Conservative News Forum" _________________________________________________________________ [ [2]Browse | [3]Search | [4]Topics ] [5]Click to scroll to commentary. [6]At Long Last, Real Barbecue Makes a Stand in Manhattan [7]NYTimes ^ | Forever | Julia Moskin Posted on 09/16/2003 8:45 PM PDT by [8]paulklenk THE smoky romance of the barbecue pit, with its dry rubs and wet mops, its fruit woods and burnt ends, has long been a New York fantasy. But real barbecue has proved harder to produce locally than baguettes, baba ghanouj and banh mi put together. Food-obsessed New Yorkers harp on the diversity of the city's kitchens and the excellence of their offerings, but most are unhappily conscious of barbecue as a magnificent native dish that is perpetually out of reach. Would-be pit masters have tried to please them but have had to contend with emission-control laws, strict fire codes and a general lack of faith that real barbecue could exist in these parts. Local fans have been reduced to mail-order ribs and the occasional binge weekend in Memphis. But this fall, the stars have aligned for real New York barbecue. Whether it's the arrival of newly efficient smoke-scrubbing technologies, a growing outdoor-cooking industry fueling national interest in barbecue, or a local economy that makes a $10 entree almost irresistible, the number of places making pit barbecue in Manhattan -- and making it well -- has suddenly tripled, and a good, old-fashioned barbecue war may be in the offing. There will be no unhappy victims. Daisy May's BBQ USA opened in mid-August to instant success; the pit master there, Adam Perry Lang, is already planning an expansion. The Queens barbecue legend Robert Pearson, after a decade of false starts, has entered into a partnership with the restaurateur Ken Aretsky to smoke his signature Texas-style beef briskets on the Upper East Side, in the space that formerly housed Mr. Aretsky's Butterfield 81. And at Blue Smoke, after tantalizing Manhattan with two years of up-and-down results, Danny Meyer, the owner, and his pit master, Kenny Callaghan, seem to have finally wrestled their technical problems to the mat. Will smoke-sensitive neighbors, the ever-critical barbecue crowd and New York's famously demanding customers (who generally expect restaurants to keep regular hours, provide plates and serve vegetables, all in direct conflict with barbecue tradition) give them all a chance at success? We'd better hope so; this has been a long time coming. The city has no shortage of so-called bar-b-que and chicken-and-ribs joints, but aficionados know: that's not real barbecue. What is? According to the mission statement of the Kansas City Barbeque Society, the closest thing the quarrelsome barbecue world has to a governing body, barbecue is meat cooked by indirect heat and smoke. But each expert interviewed last week found something to disagree with even in that bare statement. The world of American barbecue, whose members come together at thousands of team competitions each year (and on countless Internet forums each day), includes professionals, amateurs and, seemingly, every resident of Memphis, Kansas City, Texas and the Carolinas. Each of those regions is fiercely committed to its own barbecue style, with completely different ways of seasoning and spicing the meat both before and after it is cooked. Herewith the short list of what is universally agreed: Grilling is not barbecue. Smoking is not barbecue, although it is a close relative. Barbecue sauce, while it has a place at the table, does not make barbecue barbecue. Mr. Callaghan, who has been the pit master at Blue Smoke since it opened in 2001, offered a test: "How about this," he said. "Once you've been to your 50th or 60th barbecue joint, then you just know what barbecue is." In Manhattan, only Daisy May's and Blue Smoke cook their meat exclusively with wood, making them the sole local claimants to the real barbecue throne. (Pearson's Texas BBQ on the Upper East Side will join their ranks soon.) Shortcuts practiced by the others -- including Virgil's in Times Square and Tennessee Mountain in SoHo -- include parboiling meat before cooking it over charcoal or gas, supplementing wood heat with gas and, some say, the occasional drizzle of liquid smoke. These can sometimes result in passingly good barbecue, at least by New York's former standards. But according to Bobby Richter, a native of Rego Park, Queens, and pit master of the Queens-based barbecue team Big Island Barbecue, "Once you've had real barbecue, you can't enjoy yourself at those places any more." (In another sign of life for New York barbecue, Big Island just became the first New York City team ever to qualify for barbecue's most prestigious competition, the annual Jack Daniel's Invitational Championships, to be held in Lynchburg, Tenn., on Oct. 25.) In short, the path to barbecue greatness cannot run through a gas oven. Mr. Pearson is the only New York pit master whose product is respected throughout the city, on the Web and even in Texas, and his second coming to Manhattan is eagerly anticipated. Mr. Pearson's previous, brief foray into Manhattan involved trucking precooked briskets from Queens to the Upper West Side; needless to say, this did not do much for the flavor of the barbecue, which should be eaten as soon as possible once it comes off the pit. A profoundly unlikely barbecue legend, Mr. Pearson was brought to New York from his native England by Vogue magazine as a hot London hairstylist in 1966. As an avatar of chic, he was often invited to Texas to teach new techniques to stylists there. From them, he said, he received a crash course in Texas barbecue. "Those girls would take me from cow palace to cow palace all night long," he recalled. From Texas, Mr. Pearson embarked on a barbecue education that included posing as a journalist at Arthur Bryant's in Kansas City, in a vain attempt to get a look at the legendary pit. (Mr. Bryant saw through the ruse immediately, Mr. Pearson recalled, but granted him a one-minute audience anyway). The style he eventually developed, and brought to Queens in 1992, is even more spare than that of Texas barbecue purists. Mr. Pearson puts absolutely no seasoning on his whole briskets before putting them in the pit. His recipe -- if you can call it that -- calls for just the 14-pound slabs and smoke: no rub, no sauce, not even salt. The resulting meat, in addition to being outrageously flavorful and juicy, boasts a clear red smoke ring around the edges of each slice. The smoke ring is a universally recognized sign of real barbecue, though Mr. Pearson says ruefully that New Yorkers sometimes mistake it for excess barbecue sauce or underdone beef. Mr. Pearson will soon be opening up shop on East 81st Street. In 1998, he closed his original and still-mourned Long Island City location, on 51st Street, with its back garden and prowling cats, and moved his pit to a Jackson Heights sports bar. (That location will remain open.) The Long Island City lot was taken over by Philly's Smoke House, a multilevel barbecue palace that smokes over wood. In an attempt to forestall complaints from neighbors (the new location is in the heart of the Upper East Side, just a few blocks from Junior League headquarters), Mr. Aretsky has fitted Pearson's roof with a $36,000 electrostatic precipitator that filters out the smoke, vapors and grease that are inevitably exhaled by a barbecue pit. But he will be working the same no-frills pit, shipped from Mesquite, Tex., that he has always used. "People ask to see the pit," he said. "And then they're surprised when it's not a big hole in the ground." These days, a barbecue pit -- even in barbecue country -- is most likely an above-ground brick oven encased in steel, about the size of a refrigerator. According to Mr. Pearson, the art and craft of the pit master takes place not in the cabinet (where the meat revolves endlessly on racks) but in the pit's separate, tiny firebox. In the firebox, hickory logs burn all day, every day, giving off a controlled, intense heat and, surprisingly, almost no smoke. Mr. Pearson said the goal is actually to produce as little smoke as possible. "There will always be some smoke," he said, "and that's enough to flavor the meat. But the less smoke you can see, the better the barbecue." In an efficient pit, he continued, you can cook 700 pounds of meat for 14 hours using only seven logs. Green, or moist, wood is the key to a fire that burns low and slow. "You can't throw a couple of dry pine two-by-fours on a fire and expect to cook barbecue," said Chris O'Neil, the executive chef at Virgil's. He said that in the winter, when fresh wood is scarce, some pit masters resort to soaking split logs in pickle juice and apple juice to moisten them. Mr. Lang, who came to barbecue via his Long Island childhood and the kitchens of Le Cirque and Daniel, has already learned enough about the competitive side of barbecue to keep quiet about his methods. "Part of barbecue's appeal is all the secrets and mystique," he said. Mr. Lang's pit, operated with a computer keypad, looks more like an oversize cellphone than a barbecue pit. But except for his automated humidity controls -- the absolute latest in barbecue technology -- the cooking principle is the same as Mr. Pearson's: wood smoke and heat, steadily applied to large pieces of meat. But Mr. Lang's end product could hardly be more different from Mr. Pearson's. Using the palate he developed in those haute kitchens, Mr. Lang slathers his meat with thick spice pastes and complex sauces. He ranges through all regional barbecue styles and heads beyond, into pineapple, ginger and any other ingredient that helps him achieve the explosive blend of spicy, sweet, tart and salty that is barbecue's flavor signature. He home-brews four completely different barbecue sauces, chops up his beef brisket and bathes it in yet another sauce, and makes a mustardy dressing to coat shreds of pulled pork, the Carolina classic. The barbecue itself is good, but it is the punch of the sauces that comes screaming at you across the metal counter, which Mr. Lang said he modeled on the one at Gray's Papaya. "I hate restaurants," Mr. Lang said last week, about his transition from the likes of Daniel to a no-frills, no-seats barbecue joint on a barren stretch of 11th Avenue. "Great barbecue is just as good or better than anything you eat in a restaurant," he continued. "Besides, these are exactly the same sweet potatoes they serve at Le Cirque." Mr. Lang's side dishes, as might be expected, far outpace those of Mr. Pearson, who eschews barbecue sauce and grudgingly serves coleslaw only in response to customer demand. Blue Smoke, having spent its early childhood trying to be all barbecue to all New Yorkers, has had time to perfect its side dishes in the meantime (the baked beans with chopped burnt ends, crusty edges of barbecued pork, are exemplary). The original flaw in the Blue Smoke pit, a 15-story chimney that sucked out all the heat, smoke and humidity, has been adjusted. And Mr. Callaghan, sounding war-weary, said he hopes the slashing criticisms leveled by local barbecue fans when the restaurant opened are now permanently behind him. The barbecue is worthy, and occasionally even spectacular. Why do New Yorkers care so much about barbecue? Mr. Richter of Big Island Barbecue says that barbecue is simply addictive, no matter where you're from. Other New York aficionados cited spicy pastrami, smoked salmon and the glazed spareribs at old-fashioned Chinese restaurants as seminal barbecue experiences. For many Jewish New Yorkers, a weakness for slow-cooked brisket is already a given. Even as word gets out about the new pits, the nagging question of authenticity will continue to dog New York's pit masters. Will local barbecue be able to stand up to the real thing? Robb Walsh, the restaurant critic for the Houston Press and author of the definitive "Legends of Texas Barbecue Cook Book," said, "Let me put the question in New York terms: If you filtered Houston city water so it was the same as New York tap, and used the same flour, and brought in the same ovens, could you make authentic New York bagels in Texas? Yes, and no." _________________________________________________________________ TOPICS: [9]Extended News; [10]Front Page News KEYWORDS: [11]BBQ; [12]FOOD; [13]NYC _________________________________________________________________ Navigation: use the links below to view more comments. [14]first [15]1-50, [16]51-100, [17]101-110 [18]next [19]last _________________________________________________________________ Just posting this for the knee-jerk reaction: "No, it isn't!" [20]1 posted on 09/16/2003 8:45 PM PDT by [21]paulklenk [ [22]Post Reply | [23]Private Reply | [24]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk; Constitution Day This could get ugly. [25]2 posted on 09/16/2003 8:47 PM PDT by [26]dighton (NLC) [ [27]Post Reply | [28]Private Reply | [29]To 1 | [30]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: katze "Those girls would take me from cow palace to cow palace all night long," he recalled. Ah, yes, those were the days...! [17bbq.583.jpg] [31]3 posted on 09/16/2003 8:48 PM PDT by [32]paulklenk (Freedom isn't free.) [ [33]Post Reply | [34]Private Reply | [35]To 1 | [36]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: dighton LOL! [37]4 posted on 09/16/2003 8:48 PM PDT by [38]paulklenk (Freedom isn't free.) [ [39]Post Reply | [40]Private Reply | [41]To 2 | [42]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk; stainlessbanner Barbecue sauce, while it has a place at the table, does not make barbecue barbecue. Amen! Again I say, amen. If your BBQ needs sauce, that means your BBQ is no dang good. My late uncle (St. Clair Slim's dad) is laying in his grave in Arkansas, yet he's smiling at that comment. [3__hr_rdb3.jpg] [43]5 posted on 09/16/2003 8:51 PM PDT by [44]rdb3 (Which is more powerful: The story or the warrior?) [ [45]Post Reply | [46]Private Reply | [47]To 1 | [48]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk A real barbecue place is Dreamland in Tuscaloosa. The menu choices? Wet ribs or dry ribs Side dishes? White bread You want vegetables? Go to a health food store! [49]6 posted on 09/16/2003 8:56 PM PDT by [50]WackyKat [ [51]Post Reply | [52]Private Reply | [53]To 1 | [54]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: rdb3 That's one of my tests of whether I like someone's ribs: If they're great with no sauce, they get a higher score. There's a guy in Harlem who barbecues ribs in a pit on the sidewalk at 138th Street and Adam Clayton Powell Boulevard. After my voice lesson each week, I walk on by and get a slab of ribs for $7. Some days they're better than others, and when he's in top form, the meat just falls off the bones. I like Virgil's (mentioned in the story) but I'm ready to start exploring all the other barbecue places in the city. The Hog Pit on 13th Street is also a lot of fun. [55]7 posted on 09/16/2003 8:56 PM PDT by [56]paulklenk (Freedom isn't free.) [ [57]Post Reply | [58]Private Reply | [59]To 5 | [60]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: Hoverbug; annyokie; GoOrdnance; Old Sarge; auboy; Miss Marple; Unknowing; abigkahuna; Ciexyz; ... Let's ping the heck out of this story, folks -- FR could use a friendly barbecue war... [61]8 posted on 09/16/2003 9:03 PM PDT by [62]paulklenk (Freedom isn't free.) [ [63]Post Reply | [64]Private Reply | [65]To 2 | [66]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk "Mr. Aretsky has fitted Pearson's roof with a $36,000 electrostatic precipitator that filters out the smoke, vapors and grease that are inevitably exhaled by a barbecue pit." He has no clue how many customers he is losing by not luring them in with the smell. [67]9 posted on 09/16/2003 9:03 PM PDT by [68]Rebelbase [ [69]Post Reply | [70]Private Reply | [71]To 1 | [72]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk I thought NYC was smoke-free. [73]10 posted on 09/16/2003 9:06 PM PDT by [74]Mears [ [75]Post Reply | [76]Private Reply | [77]To 1 | [78]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: WackyKat; Loyalist; Polycarp; nicollo; tpaine; ASOC; atomic conspiracy; Diddle E. Squat; ILBBACH; .. Ping a ling a ling! [79]11 posted on 09/16/2003 9:07 PM PDT by [80]paulklenk (Freedom isn't free.) [ [81]Post Reply | [82]Private Reply | [83]To 6 | [84]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: Rebelbase Believe it or not, in NYC, emissions laws force restaurants to do crazy things like that. It's why Virgil's, one of the best barbecues in Manhattan, has to supplement wood-smoking with gas... Too bad. [85]12 posted on 09/16/2003 9:08 PM PDT by [86]paulklenk (Freedom isn't free.) [ [87]Post Reply | [88]Private Reply | [89]To 9 | [90]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk I'm just wondering which part of this NYTimes article is a lie. It's their own sort of "special BBQ sauce." Every NYTimes piece deserves suspicion. [91]13 posted on 09/16/2003 9:09 PM PDT by [92]Taiwan Bocks [ [93]Post Reply | [94]Private Reply | [95]To 1 | [96]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: carlo3b ping [97]14 posted on 09/16/2003 9:10 PM PDT by [98]nickcarraway [ [99]Post Reply | [100]Private Reply | [101]To 1 | [102]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: WackyKat Dreamland sounds like my kind of place. I hate to say it but there is nothing like a salad to ruin a really good meal. Meat,bread and butter,pure heaven!!!!!! [103]15 posted on 09/16/2003 9:11 PM PDT by [104]Mears [ [105]Post Reply | [106]Private Reply | [107]To 6 | [108]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk Exactly. Its not a real BBQ place if it doesn't offer brisket, ribs, AND links(sausage). [109]16 posted on 09/16/2003 9:11 PM PDT by [110]Diddle E. Squat [ [111]Post Reply | [112]Private Reply | [113]To 3 | [114]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk Robb Walsh, the restaurant critic for the Houston Press and author of the definitive "Legends of Texas Barbecue Cook Book," said, "Let me put the question in New York terms: If you filtered Houston city water so it was the same as New York tap, and used the same flour, and brought in the same ovens, could you make authentic New York bagels in Texas? Yes, and no." LOL! Thanks for the ping. [115]17 posted on 09/16/2003 9:13 PM PDT by [116]Victoria Delsoul (There aren't enough conservatives in CA to vote for Tom and still have him to win. That's a fact) [ [117]Post Reply | [118]Private Reply | [119]To 8 | [120]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk But he will be working the same no-frills pit, shipped from Mesquite, Tex., that he has always used. Where have I gone so wrong? I have yet to go to a barbeque place here. Shooter 2.5-Mesquite, Texas [121]18 posted on 09/16/2003 9:13 PM PDT by [122]Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat.) [ [123]Post Reply | [124]Private Reply | [125]To 1 | [126]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: Rebelbase He has no clue how many customers he is losing by not luring them in with the smell. Oh, I think he knows, but the NYC smoke/enviro nazis aren't going to let it happen. [127]19 posted on 09/16/2003 9:14 PM PDT by [128]NovemberCharlie [ [129]Post Reply | [130]Private Reply | [131]To 9 | [132]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: Taiwan Bocks Maybe the punctuation...? [133]20 posted on 09/16/2003 9:14 PM PDT by [134]paulklenk (Freedom isn't free.) [ [135]Post Reply | [136]Private Reply | [137]To 13 | [138]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: Victoria Delsoul You're welcome! [139]21 posted on 09/16/2003 9:15 PM PDT by [140]paulklenk (Freedom isn't free.) [ [141]Post Reply | [142]Private Reply | [143]To 17 | [144]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: Shooter 2.5 You're a very bad boy, and should run out immediately and find some real Texas BBQ. [145]22 posted on 09/16/2003 9:16 PM PDT by [146]paulklenk (Freedom isn't free.) [ [147]Post Reply | [148]Private Reply | [149]To 18 | [150]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: Shooter 2.5 For DFW, Railhead and Sonny Bryants are good starts. Also Joe Allen's if you ever pass through Abilene. [151]23 posted on 09/16/2003 9:17 PM PDT by [152]Diddle E. Squat [ [153]Post Reply | [154]Private Reply | [155]To 18 | [156]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk Wandered through Lockhart, Texas a few years ago (about 40 miles south of Austin). Located there are 3 of the top 5 Texas BBQ joints--Blacks, Kreiss and Chisholm Trail. My vote was for Blacks. [157]24 posted on 09/16/2003 9:20 PM PDT by [158]Founding Father [ [159]Post Reply | [160]Private Reply | [161]To 1 | [162]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: Mears I thought NYC was smoke-free. Speaking of smoking, I discovered a bar and restaurant in Manhattan that allows smoking. It's called Florino's, and shares it's space with a cigar store called Three Little Indians, in Little Italy, just off Mulberry Street. During the Feast of San Genarro this weekend, my brother and I popped in for a beer. I was smoking a hand-rolled cigar I had purchased from a street vendor and didn't want to extinguish. They let me in and said I could smoke. After inquiring politely about this, the guy in charge told me, "The city is scared of us." They've been in business for forty years, and have probably always sold cigars in the bar. We had a nice glass of Peroni and enjoyed the rest of the festival. [163]25 posted on 09/16/2003 9:21 PM PDT by [164]paulklenk (Freedom isn't free.) [ [165]Post Reply | [166]Private Reply | [167]To 10 | [168]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: Founding Father What was it about Blacks that sold you on their barbecue? I'd loooove to hear all about it...! Yum! [169]26 posted on 09/16/2003 9:23 PM PDT by [170]paulklenk (Freedom isn't free.) [ [171]Post Reply | [172]Private Reply | [173]To 24 | [174]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: dighton ..get a rope [175]27 posted on 09/16/2003 9:26 PM PDT by [176]carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com) [ [177]Post Reply | [178]Private Reply | [179]To 2 | [180]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk Thanks for the post. I have a son who lives in New York and is with NYPD. I"m planning a trip down there this fall and will have to look up this place,since I smoke. [181]28 posted on 09/16/2003 9:27 PM PDT by [182]Mears [ [183]Post Reply | [184]Private Reply | [185]To 25 | [186]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: Mears You're welcome. [187]29 posted on 09/16/2003 9:28 PM PDT by [188]paulklenk (Freedom isn't free.) [ [189]Post Reply | [190]Private Reply | [191]To 28 | [192]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk Blue Ribbon Barbecue,Newton,Ma------Great! [193]30 posted on 09/16/2003 9:30 PM PDT by [194]Mears [ [195]Post Reply | [196]Private Reply | [197]To 1 | [198]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: WackyKat No Farting. [199]31 posted on 09/16/2003 9:31 PM PDT by [200]jra [ [201]Post Reply | [202]Private Reply | [203]To 6 | [204]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk The Smokehouse in Millbrook, AL is one of my favorites. Doesn't need sauce, either. But if you do, be extremely careful with their hotter version. It's liquid fire. [205]32 posted on 09/16/2003 9:33 PM PDT by [206]auboy (France the world's leading exporter of arrogance - Democrats their #1 customer) [ [207]Post Reply | [208]Private Reply | [209]To 1 | [210]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: jra Oh, you devil-may-care folks go right ahead and fart. [211]33 posted on 09/16/2003 9:36 PM PDT by [212]paulklenk (Freedom isn't free.) [ [213]Post Reply | [214]Private Reply | [215]To 31 | [216]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: nickcarraway But Mr. Lang's end product could hardly be more different from Mr. Pearson's. Using the palate he developed in those haute kitchens, Mr. Lang slathers his meat with thick spice pastes and complex sauces. He ranges through all regional barbecue styles and heads beyond, into pineapple, ginger and any other ingredient that helps him achieve the explosive blend of spicy, sweet, tart and salty that is barbecue's flavor signature. He home-brews four completely different barbecue sauces, chops up his beef brisket and bathes it in yet another sauce, and makes a mustardy dressing to coat shreds of pulled pork, the Carolina classic. What..no Grey Poupon? What in the devil is BBQ, without some fava beans and a nice Chianti??? sheeesh there is no peace in the hearthland.. :) [217]34 posted on 09/16/2003 9:36 PM PDT by [218]carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com) [ [219]Post Reply | [220]Private Reply | [221]To 14 | [222]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk; Diddle E. Squat Oh, come on guys, give me some credit. I said, Mesquite. Our favorite place is Spring Creek. They have three locations that I know of and I've been to all three. We tried Colter's and my wife was sick both times. There's a little hole in the wall place near me on Military and I think I'll try them this Friday. Thanks for the other suggestions. [223]35 posted on 09/16/2003 9:37 PM PDT by [224]Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat.) [ [225]Post Reply | [226]Private Reply | [227]To 22 | [228]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: carlo3b LOL.......This is good for me right ??? Stay Safe Carlo ! [229]36 posted on 09/16/2003 9:46 PM PDT by [230]Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.) [ [231]Post Reply | [232]Private Reply | [233]To 27 | [234]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: Squantos One thing we can say for BBQ: It's low-carb! [235]37 posted on 09/16/2003 9:49 PM PDT by [236]paulklenk (Freedom isn't free.) [ [237]Post Reply | [238]Private Reply | [239]To 36 | [240]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: Squantos This is good for me right ??? BBQ?? Correctamundo, we guru's in the Nutro-nukeit clinic call it Southern health food.. *<]{:op~ [241]38 posted on 09/16/2003 10:13 PM PDT by [242]carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com) [ [243]Post Reply | [244]Private Reply | [245]To 36 | [246]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk There is a school of thought that barbecue cannot exist north of the 40th parallel. And it is most assuredly a psychic impossibility east of the 75th meridian. These people are charlatans. [247]39 posted on 09/16/2003 10:16 PM PDT by [248]okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.) [ [249]Post Reply | [250]Private Reply | [251]To 1 | [252]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: Diddle E. Squat To: Shooter 2.5 For DFW, Railhead and Sonny Bryants are good starts. Also Joe Allen's if you ever pass through Abilene. 23 posted on 09/16/2003 11:17 PM CDT by Diddle E. Squat Sonny's... a good place to start AND finish. Same location since 1910. If you go there for lunch and don't arrive before 11:30 am, ya better want chicken, because the beef is GONE. It's the only place I know where folks will eat standing up in the parking lot. TLI [253]40 posted on 09/16/2003 10:18 PM PDT by [254]TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........) [ [255]Post Reply | [256]Private Reply | [257]To 23 | [258]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: Founding Father "My vote was for Blacks." That makes two of us. The links might be made in heaven. Perhaps the best single example of the barbecue experience available... [259]41 posted on 09/16/2003 10:19 PM PDT by [260]okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.) [ [261]Post Reply | [262]Private Reply | [263]To 24 | [264]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk See #41. [265]42 posted on 09/16/2003 10:22 PM PDT by [266]okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.) [ [267]Post Reply | [268]Private Reply | [269]To 26 | [270]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: Shooter 2.5 I have yet to go to a barbeque place here. Maybe you need to come out of your basement firing range once in a while... [271]43 posted on 09/16/2003 10:23 PM PDT by [272]tubebender (FReeRepublic...How bad have you got it...) [ [273]Post Reply | [274]Private Reply | [275]To 18 | [276]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: Shooter 2.5 Sonny Bryan's -- the original place, on Inwood, near Harry Hines. If it's still open... [277]44 posted on 09/16/2003 10:24 PM PDT by [278]okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.) [ [279]Post Reply | [280]Private Reply | [281]To 35 | [282]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: carlo3b What do you call a tri-tip east of the Rockys... [283]45 posted on 09/16/2003 10:26 PM PDT by [284]tubebender (FReeRepublic...How bad have you got it...) [ [285]Post Reply | [286]Private Reply | [287]To 38 | [288]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk Lurkers Rib Recipe: 2 Slabs Back Ribs. Seasoning Recipe (Top Secret): Kosher Salt Freshly Cracked Black Pepper Liberally coat ribs with seasoning on both sides. (You're going to eat both sides, right) Grill Preparation: Prepare a standard Weber Kettle according to the following instructions: Heap 20 charcoal briquettes on one side of the kettle, and 20 briquettes on the other leaving at least 6 inches of open space in the center of the bottom of the kettle. Squirt a liberal amount of lighter fluid on both piles of coals and light them. When the coals are covered with ash and burning hotter than blue blazes, place the grill and your rib rack (you do own a rib rack, right?) on the kettle. Slice the rib slabs into thirds and place them carefully into the rib rack on the center of the grill, right over the spot where there they are not, repeat not over the hot coals. Cover the kettle tightly, and close the vents almost completely. That's right, almost completely. After about 5 minutes, you should be able to put your hand on the top of the kettle without feeling any pain for almost half a minute. Now, walk away from the grill and forget about it for 90 minutes. Don't look at it. Don't think about it, and for Gods sake don't even think about opening it. After 90 minutes, open the top of the kettle, and examine your ribs. They should be a golden brown. If they aren't, close the kettle for another 30 minutes, then repeat the examination. If the ribs are golden brown, touch them with your index finger. If the meat yields to your touch, (that means your finger sinks almost all the way to the bone and you go "Oh s***, that's hot!) they're done. Gently remove the ribs from the rack, and place them on a large serving platter and bring them inside. Resist all tempation to put sauce on them for at least 5 minutes! Allow your now perfectly cooked ribs to rest for at least the above referrenced five minutes. This will allow the juices to go back into the meat where they belong. After five minutes, slather the ribs generously with your favorite sauce. Personally, I recommend Sweet Baby Rays with just a touch of Chalula added. Allow the ribs to sit for another five minutes covered in aluminum foil to heat the sauce. Your patience will be rewarded grasshopper. Regards, L [289]46 posted on 09/16/2003 10:43 PM PDT by [290]Lurker ("To expect the government to save you is to be a bystander in your own fate." Mark Steyn) [ [291]Post Reply | [292]Private Reply | [293]To 33 | [294]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: tubebender; carlo3b What do you call a tri-tip east of the Rockys... According to [295]this site: A beef tri-tip roast is a boneless cut of meat from the bottom sirloin. So now we know where it comes from. (There are only 2 such roasts per cow, evidently.) Carlo: I'm waiting the answer to this question, too. To my knowledge, I've never made tri-tip. ;) [296]47 posted on 09/16/2003 10:46 PM PDT by [297]Fawnn (NEVER FORGET!!! God Bless America! God Bless our Commander in Chief and our Troops!) [ [298]Post Reply | [299]Private Reply | [300]To 45 | [301]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: Rebelbase "Mr. Aretsky has fitted Pearson's roof with a $36,000 electrostatic precipitator that filters out the smoke, vapors and grease that are inevitably exhaled by a barbecue pit." You put up with all that crap, you miss out on the scent of real BBQ, you get not-quite-real BBQ, and then, to top it all off . . . . . . you're stuck in that hellhole New York. What's the friggin' point? I'd rather live in my car than live in New York. [302]48 posted on 09/16/2003 10:50 PM PDT by [303]Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.) [ [304]Post Reply | [305]Private Reply | [306]To 9 | [307]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk Its good to see that New York is trying their hand at barbeque. I used to think that I knew what it was (Carson's Ribs) before I moved to KC 15 years ago and learned that it is tons fo meat, no veggies, bread, fries or rings, and red cream soda. Favorite places here in town are Gates and Arthur Bryant's. [308]49 posted on 09/16/2003 10:51 PM PDT by [309]KC_Conspirator (This space for rent) [ [310]Post Reply | [311]Private Reply | [312]To 1 | [313]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ To: paulklenk The only complaint I have with the article is the statement that smoking isn't barbeque. The pit gets it's heat from the fire in the flue, but it's still the smoke from the hickory that gives the flavor. And yes, anyone that uses sauce in the cooking process should be shot. It's only for the table. In Fayetteville, AR while working at Coy's we made our sauce fresh daily in mild and hot. Starting out early in the morning, Coy would get the pit going and strip the ribs of fat with a spoon. Then he covered the ribs in our own salt mixture and put them on the pit to cook all day. The pit was designed to to create different compartments with different temperatures that we monitored. We put on whole pork loins, beef roasts and Hillshire Farms sausages. Once, we made a mistake and put a prime rib eye roast that we used to cut steaks (bbq and steak house with a great cornish hen) on the pit instead of a roast beef and Coy sold it to the customers. This guy could sell ice to Eskimos. Anyway, it was so popular our hickory smoked pit prime rib became our biggest seller. We also made our baked beans on the pit in giant pans of pork 'n' beans, molasses, brown sugar, onion, green peppers, etc. and mix it up and let it cook all day. The ribs were the most popular of the barbeque. A combo platter was a choice of three of four of our meats (ribs, beef, pork loin, hot or mild sausage) with a crock of beans, a crock of our tangy cole slaw (not mayo based) and a slice of garlic bread. We started out giving way too much food on a plate and cut it back when we began spending $200 a month on doggie bags! Working there, I took home more leftover food than was possible to eat (hard to eat that much meat everyday) and fed a lot of neighborhood dogs. The lines around the place on the weekends was incredible. And during football weekends (home of the Univ. of Ark.) you waited 3 or 4 hours. Great stuff. [314]50 posted on 09/16/2003 11:06 PM PDT by [315]Fledermaus (Democrats have stunted brain development!) [ [316]Post Reply | [317]Private Reply | [318]To 1 | [319]View Replies ] _________________________________________________________________ Navigation: use the links below to view more comments. 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